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Sallie Tisdale is a Zen teacher, writer, and Tricycle contributing editor—and she has seen nearly every season of the award-winning reality TV show Survivor. In her latest book, The Lie About the Truck: Survivor, Reality TV, and the Endless Gaze (out October 26), Sallie brings her keen eye and characteristic wit to the series, which she calls “the greatest social experiment on television.”

In today’s episode of Tricycle Talks, Tricycle’s editor-in-chief James Shaheen sits down with Sallie to talk about the dharma lessons of Survivor and what it can teach us about perception, performance, and surviving ourselves.

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